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Avoiding the Puddle Episode #8

September 24, 2010

Its been a while since the last episode, but without further a do we bring to you the SBO recap episode, episode 8! No guest on this episode, but Aris has recently returned from his trip to Japan for SBO/TGS over the weekend. Aris talks about his SBO10 experience, along with a bunch of other topics with MYK, and with one of the biggest announcements in the Tekken scene as-of-late, Tekken Tag Tournament 2!

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  1. PuNkMAFIA permalink
    September 24, 2010 2:12 am

    Very interesting…

    Now I have been a pad player for well over a decade on Tekken, but recently went to SVB X in London it was my first tournament. I noticed that even for Tekken the amount of stick fighters was crazy. I am thinking of getting a stick to help improve my movement as I dont feel my movement is very good (Yes even after over a decade) was wondering if anyone had any tips on maybe making the transition and a recommendation on a good solid starter stick.

    PS Ryan Hart was very helpfull in showing me to the drinks machine!!!

    Thanks Guys.

  2. Quadrupledragon permalink
    September 24, 2010 7:04 am

    The MP3 link is the old episode

  3. RonanN1 permalink
    September 24, 2010 7:07 am

    avoiding-the-puddle-ep7 – i second that

  4. September 24, 2010 10:05 am

    What do you think arcades have to do nowadays to survive anywhere outside of Japan/Korea?

  5. Undead_Nemesis permalink
    September 24, 2010 11:42 am

    Get that DL sorted ASAP!!! I need my fix!

  6. September 24, 2010 12:22 pm

    If you click on the link for the mirror, you will get the episode no problem. I have been fiending for like a week and a half waiting for this episode to come out. I was worried for a sec when episode 7 showed up in my download menu. Awesome episode.

    I miss the arcades in Japan. Hopefully I will be able to make it back one of these days. A couple of days ago, Harada tweeted from an arcade in Okinawa, and it reminded me of when I used to play there when I was stationed out there. It was such a shock coming from arcades in America to playing over there, but I loved it. Online play will never take the place of playing someone live in person. Sucks that arcades are dead in America though.

    I play Soul Calibur competitively. I wish that SC4 was released in the arcades first before coming out to console because the arcade release also serves as a wide-scale play test so you can find stupid stuff out and fix it before releasing to console, but Tekken is more popular in Japan. SC4 is still a great game and sold well on console, but it would have been much better on a competitive level if it would have had spent some time in the arcades first because once the game reaches console, there’s limitations to the changes that will be made to the game, along with the challenges of having the game on two separate consoles you need to patch for.

    And then they put out an updated version of SC out for the PSP which I did not understand and was a huge slap in the face to the community, especially when PSP games are bootlegged like it’s nothing, but what can you do? Maybe if Namco would have just released SC3 in the arcade in the first place, then things would be better for me now, but at this point Japan is all up on Tekken, so who knows how well SC would do in the arcades today.

    It wouldn’t be so bad in America if there was a lot of offline competition, but most rather just play online where they don’t have to travel, there’s no pressure, and lag is a factor. I thought Tekken 6 would be poppin out here, but it died so fast out here on the east coast. Hopefully when TTT2 hits console, there will be lots of offline competition. We’ll see.

    And Mortal Kombat looks amazing, but I still have to question how balanced the game will be since there won’t be an arcade release. If companies are going to continue to go directly to console with their fighting games, then they better make sure that they support the game long enough so that they are balanced and don’t contain stupid issues that break gameplay.

  7. Faye permalink
    September 24, 2010 3:52 pm

    Is virtual fighter 5 final showdown fully released on arcades? there seems to be way more tekken 6 br machines in japan then final showdown.

  8. rinoH permalink
    September 24, 2010 4:57 pm

    great stuff as always aris and myk

  9. tekkenlover permalink
    September 24, 2010 5:33 pm

    aris you have no idea how happy you made me when you said that there is a possibility of ogres returning for tekken tag2, i love it, you are 100% right, ogres are the bioson of tekken tag, they should be there, you cant have tekken tag without them, though i dont not agree with u about pad , but you are my favorite tekken player, and I really really really want to thank you for putting up youtube channel and recording your matches during your trip to japan, aris ftw

  10. Wing permalink
    September 24, 2010 6:56 pm

    these dont have to be questions for harada cuz he wont answer them, but rather speculation

    1. imagine a 4 player tekken tag. the arcades would be 2 boxes with 2 sticks each both linked up, and you and your mate press the 5th button at the same time (synching skills) or something and do your combos. (imagine tournaments!)

    2. imagine if you were able to be given rewards for tagging in a juggle. for example if you hit and it does 60%dmg the next hit should do 55%, but if you tag it stays at 60%, so more tagging is more dmg

  11. Derrick permalink
    September 24, 2010 7:06 pm

    Great episode…keep em coming!

  12. tekkenlover permalink
    September 24, 2010 7:22 pm

    aris i finished watching your youtube clips, i fucking loved it, especially the random ones where you and rip went to 7/11 and the tokyo game show, girls were so freaking cool, friendly,and hot. after watching this i want to go to japan, if i get enough money, i will definitely travel there

  13. SG79 permalink
    September 24, 2010 11:20 pm

    In regards to the bit about console first then arcade, I think SSFIV was a bit of a special case. It wasn’t exactly a 100% brand new game, and they’ve already known the major issues (uh, Sagat) in SFIV so that bode well.

    Brand new games need to be in arcades first so they’ll get the exposure, and testing they deserve so we won’t have situations like SC3. So I definitely agree with that completely.

    But man, I laughed hard with a double entendre going through my mind about “sticks” and “pads” when you said pad players are gay.

  14. lingmassacre permalink
    September 25, 2010 7:23 pm

    Raggin’ on pad players eh? Not all of us can live within driving distance of an arcade, ya kno. The culture extends beyond those who carry around a stick.

    Still, an entertaining broadcast. Half the reason I tune in is for the steadfast commentary ^^. The other half is sheer sexual homo-erotic tension.

    • Forest permalink
      September 26, 2010 8:43 am

      Especially since the top 2 players in the USA, Fighting GM and JustFrameJames, are both pad players.

  15. September 25, 2010 9:26 pm

    Fuck pad. You hit the nail right on the head Aris! Tekken was meant for the arcade. Learn stick folks…’s not that hard.

    • September 26, 2010 2:18 am

      I’m just talking shit, there is nothing wrong with playing on pad, I just don’t like it. People should play on whatever they want. I just don’t like that we cant send our best players to other countries because they cant play on stick. Its a bad habit that we as a country got used to and now it can’t be undone.

      • Forest permalink
        September 26, 2010 8:47 am

        If SBO was truly an international tournament, it would allow for the best North American and European players to use pad. Not allowing pads means that the Asian players have a big advantage, to say the least.

      • September 26, 2010 8:59 am

        Wouldn’t you say that the top US players are handicapping them selfs then? Making it so that they can only compete in the US is not exactly my idea striving to become the best Tekken player in the World. Its obvious that Namco suggests that you use Arcade Sticks because they no longer have ports on their machines and they have never made a licensed Tekken fight pad to my knowledge. All i’m saying is that its not SBO’s fault that top US players use pad. If someone MUST be blamed, it is the players decision to play an Arcade game with a console peripheral.

      • lingmassacre permalink
        September 26, 2010 9:09 am

        I kno you’re just shit talkin’ ^^. And yeah it’s frustrating that pad players have a difficult time going abroad. But I don’t think it’s a bad habit. Rest of the world has metric units, is american standard a bad habit? The only time that pad/stick ability plays a role is in discussion of foreign tournaments… which is .1% of what the US tekken scene is all about.

        In response to the reply before mine, as a pad player myself, SBO shouldn’t cater to pad players. They are an arcade cabinet tourney, period. It’s just not the same SBO if they allow pad.

      • SG79 permalink
        September 26, 2010 11:16 am

        See, the thing is, Namco seemingly encouraged pad players about 5 years ago with the arcade T5 then DR. Up until T6, anyone playing with a pad had the option of taking his game to the arcades too.

        I think if the arcade hardware still had PS ports, they’d still have that option. But as it is, they’re not going to cater to pad players by making custom solutions anymore. Defeats the whole purpose of having low cost arcade hardware.. figuratively speaking, since all of their hardware since 1994 has been PS based. The current one has the PS3 XMB intact for example.

        Take some time to talk about stick recommendations next time. Particularly for those OG arcade players in the US that are getting back to the game that are used to the Happ part.

      • Derrick permalink
        September 26, 2010 3:25 pm

        @lingmassacre The US using metric is a VERY bad habit… hahah

  16. Gieroadsteve permalink
    September 26, 2010 9:21 am

    Hey Aris – Name of the band on this ep please,shit sounds good.
    Give us an Aris top 10 bands?
    And tell Murray to tell Harada to tell Gon to stay the fuck away from TT2.

    • September 26, 2010 9:38 am

      Thats a band called Power Glove. They cover video game music. That song is called “So Sexy Robotnik”

      Some of my Favs. Amon Amart, Dimmu Borgir, God Dethroned, Wintersun, Strapping Young Lad, At the Gates and many more.

      Don’t worry, Gon will not be in TT2. Follow Harada on Twitter.

  17. The Invincible permalink
    September 26, 2010 9:30 am

    You mentioned in one of your previous episodes that the Street Fighter EX series is not that great. It’s actually the first fighting game series I’d ever played and I really liked those games especially EX3. I believe the game was very underrated but very fun in a way because it’s very balanced and the tag system was pretty unique. It’s just sad that it didn’t get the attention that it deserved. What is your opinion why the series did not do very good and died out eventually? Is it possible for the series to be revived?

  18. rinoH permalink
    September 26, 2010 9:50 am

    Do you think that with the release of TTT2 will draw everyone from Tekken 6 or will Tekken 6 still be the standard for tournaments and have the spotlight?

    • rinoH permalink
      September 27, 2010 5:01 pm

      My bad for the wording in my question
      what i was supposed to ask was
      Do you think that TTT2 will take the spotlight for the Tekken community or will Tekken 6 still be the standard for tournaments and TTT2 would be the side game like how SfII:Turbo was the sort of side game while 3rd Strike and MvC2 had the spotlight?

      • The Invincible permalink
        September 27, 2010 9:48 pm

        My thoughts on that as well: in the past when T5.0 was played at evo, TTT was included as well. So are we seeing both T6BR and TTT2 in future evo?

  19. karlake permalink
    September 26, 2010 11:58 am

    What’s that awesome intro tune?

  20. Forest permalink
    September 26, 2010 5:23 pm

    SG79 said: I think if the arcade hardware still had PS ports, they’d still have that option. But as it is, they’re not going to cater to pad players by making custom solutions anymore. Defeats the whole purpose of having low cost arcade hardware.. figuratively speaking, since all of their hardware since 1994 has been PS based. The current one has the PS3 XMB intact for example.
    LMAO! Low cost arcade hardware? Do you know how much a Tekken 6: BR arcade cabinet costs? Like $6000 or some shit! Since they use PlayStation hardware, they should have no problem at all sticking in a couple of PS3 controller ports. Why are the cabinets so expensive, anyways? If you ask me, it is because of the high cost of Tekken cabinets that is putting arcades all over the world that arcades are a dieing breed. The North American Tekken cabinets are way overkill, jsut give me a standard def screen and decent controlls that do not break after some random scrub loses and takes it out on the buttons.

    • garyoak99 permalink
      September 26, 2010 9:05 pm

      A Tekken 6:BR arcade cabinet currently costs anywhere from $11135 USD to $12051 USD. It cost even more 2-3 years ago!

      Standard definition screen solutions for arcades are easy to do! A local arcade here has a Japanese T6:BR kit jerry rigged to an old T5 cabinet.

      The local arcade here also has a King of Fighters XIII kit installed in an Astro City or Blast City cabinet and it looks fine too. An Astro City cabinet ranges from $319.12 USD to 395.00 USD. A Blast City cabinet ranges from $795.00 USD to $968.18 USD

      Brand new arcade game kits can and ARE installed in cheaper and older cabinets.

    • SG79 permalink
      September 27, 2010 11:57 am

      Yeah, it’s technically low cost. How? All the R&D is done for them and they’re getting the chipset from Sony so there is fewer customization involved (housing for cooling and whatnot). The fact that the current one has the XMB should be a clue. The older PS2 based on had the memory card slot for another blatant example. Compare it to something like Naomi 2 or the older CPS2 and 3 boards, where they were designed and customized by Sega and Capcom.

      Now, lower cost (for Namco) doesn’t mean lower profit. They’re not cheap, certainly not initially.

      And the PS3 had no controller ports; that much is obvious.

      • QueenWasp permalink
        October 1, 2010 8:54 am

        However, the PS3 does have USB. I wish this was an addition for most cabinets, especially due to the fact that a lot of arcades in the US rarely maintain the sticks and buttons. I would love if all PS3 based cabs had USB ports that were easily accessible from the outside of the cab like the 5.0 and DR ones. When I used to play 5.0 at the arcade, a lot of people brought their own sticks as opposed to pads.

  21. September 26, 2010 6:58 pm

    Been playing stick since Tekken 3 and I can honestly say that I would never switch. As Tekken fans we are very lucky that Namco supports the home console market. If you want that authentic arcade experience in the privacy of your own home, It’s that simple play stick.

    • QueenWasp permalink
      October 1, 2010 8:56 am

      I switched to stick after I got my xbox four years ago and I’m never looking back. My movement has gotten so much better. The only thing I still struggle with is the concept of the dead zone.

  22. eddieboymang permalink
    September 26, 2010 11:29 pm

    im an american player and i play on pad because im lazy

  23. PinoyApostle permalink
    September 27, 2010 5:03 am

    Hey great podcast. So i have a question. I wanna start playing tekken as my second game, street fighter being first. Where do you suggest i start? Theres a lot of information and its pretty overwhelming. Thanks

    • Forest permalink
      September 28, 2010 2:26 pm

      The best thing yo can do imho is to buy the Bradygames Tekken 6 Stragegy guide. That will give you all of the movelists and combos that you need to start to play Tekken 6. For the more advanced stuff, look online to websites like TekkenZaibatsu, (of course), and for frame data. Good luck to you! 🙂

  24. k.d.e permalink
    September 27, 2010 9:49 am

    lol. the black chick oh idk mmmhmmmm. hella funny. goodshit on the new episode! aris do you like blaze blue?


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